Some of my most impactful conversations are with people who are in the thick of the journey, not just people who have reached Financial Independence. In today’s episode of Journey to Launch, I’m bringing back Cassandra Henry, a Journeyer who doesn’t have it “all figured out,” but is on an inspiring path toward financial freedom.
Cassandra, an Expat living in Abu Dhabi, was one of my first 1:1 financial coaching clients. She has paid down debt, moved abroad, and found that financial independence is a worthwhile goal no matter what your circumstances.
We chat about gamifying your financial goals, paying zero taxes abroad, and having over $17k of student loan debt forgiven.
In this episode you’ll also learn more about:
- Why living in Abu Dhabi is less stressful and how Cassandra is able to save money living abroad
- How COVID almost made Cassandra quit teaching, but instead she pivoted to an international teaching role
- The struggles of living across the world from family and the power of creating your own community
- Public Student Loan Forgiveness, how financial independence allowed Cassandra to take care of her family, why investing even a small amount matters + more
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Cassandra Henry 0:02
If I'm investing now, I think it will bring me more confidence and gaming that goal of financial independence. I feel like I'll be able to find ways to maneuver my money in a way to benefit me. And so far, I realized this journey I get to work in my head a lot when I'm not there. I'm not at the finish line, you know.
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Jamila Souffrant 1:38
Hey, hey, hey, journeyers Welcome to the journey to launch podcast today I have a special special guest, Cassandra Henry. Cassandra has been on the podcast before she is a true and tried journeyer. She was on episode 111. And I've known Cassandra for a few years now. So she was one of my first money coaching clients. So I many of you may not know. But when I started journey to launch, I also did money coaching one on one. So Cassandra was one of my first clients we met every week, I helped her create a budget and helped her reach and talked about her goals. And we worked through a lot of things for the time we worked together. And then Cassandra, you ended up joining my membership community at the time. And, you know, we've been through it like in terms of like watching you grow and your journey. So when I was writing my book, Your journey to financial freedom, I thought to myself, I don't want to share stories of journeyers. And I thought of you immediately Cassandra because I was like, you know, the fact that and we shared this on the original episode, Episode 111. You know, you are from the Bronx, or we lived in the Bronx was a teacher. And you were able to increase your income by $10,000. Pay off some debt. So I wanted to bring you on the podcast back then to share that. And I thought like that needs to be shared in the book. So when I reached out to you and said, Can I include you in the book? You were like, Yes. And you know, also right now I'm living in Abu Dhabi teaching. And so I was like, Wow, that's amazing. And so I shared more of that in the book. But then I said, you know, what, how about you come back on the show and share more of your journey? What has happened since you've been on the podcast, and you had some hesitation? Because you felt like your journey was still incomplete, like you were still on it, and you are still figuring things out with your money. And I thought, No, you're still the perfect person to come back on the show to share. Because while we love hearing people who have made it and figured it out, and have all the money in the world, and reach financial independence, I feel like my most impactful conversations, and episodes are with people who are still in the thick of the journey sharing, because so many people are in your situation in terms of not having it all figured out, you know, and so I just want to welcome you back on the show. I can't wait to dive in a little bit deeper. This is a safe space. And I know that hopefully this conversation will not only help you, but also a lot of other people listening who feel the way you do. So. Welcome back to the show.
Cassandra Henry 4:02
Thank you so much to me that like when you reached out, I just were excited to help you out and share my journey to you because you were part of the first ones who really started my desire to gain financial freedom. So I'm externally grateful. Thank you.
Jamila Souffrant 4:18
Yeah, so tell me back a little bit about how you got to Abu Dhabi. So you had an apartment, your own condo in the Bronx, right?
Cassandra Henry 4:25
Jamila Souffrant 4:26
And so tell me about that transition and what you're doing now.
Cassandra Henry 4:31
Okay, so when I bought the condo was 2020 it was before COVID happens. It was January 2020. And I was so excited to own the condo that my the landlord was going to sell it and I was you know, praying like I don't know if I want to buy it or not, but I just felt like it was an opportunity to to gain wealth because I've been listening to a lot of podcasts and interview and they all have real estate. So I said okay, let me start this real estate journey. And then when COVID happened, you know, I still have a condo and I was teaching. I was tutoring at the same time. So I was just getting a lot of work. And it was just a little stressful with the school and COVID I was about to quit teaching. And then I remembered my second year of teaching, a teacher came to me saying, you know, you should teach in Abu Dhabi. I was teaching in sick for six years in Abu Dhabi. And I said, Well, that's no way I don't think it would be for me. And then when COVID happened, I, I was about to quit teaching. But then that came back to me, I was taking a course on on dreaming, and I'm just wanting to expand my horizons when it comes to my career and everything. And I said, you know, what, why don't I just reach towards that goal of teaching abroad, and like maybe I don't have to quit teaching, maybe I just have to change my location. And then I applied to 30 something schools, I sent them my resume cover letter directly to the principal's I was just nonstop trying to get a job and abroad while at the same time getting my second teaching as an English as a Second Language certification. And then I got one reply, and I said, You know what, I never been to the Middle East. I've never, I never stepped foot in and never heard of anyone I've know that, that taught theirs or, you know, my family wise, I just felt like, Okay, let me just go blind me. And then I've been enjoying it ever since.
Jamila Souffrant 6:27
Oh, my God. So what did you get there?
Cassandra Henry 6:30
August 2021. And it was so COVID restriction. So so it was, it was a lot of hectic when it came to the regulations and all that. But what's good.
Jamila Souffrant 6:42
So how did this impact your financial journey, so at the time, if you can pay it, the financial picture where you were, if you can remember where you are with your debt, and then you had some student loan debt, and then how moving there impacted any of that.
Cassandra Henry 6:56
So the year 2021 came, and I wanted to renovate my apartment. So before I, I started going into application process of the school towards like learning about different ways, different schools to teach, and towards the end of 2020, and the beginning of January 2021. And at the same time, I said, Okay, I don't want to leave my family with an apartment that's like, bad, I just didn't want to leave without making sure that they're good. So I said, Okay, let me renovate this apartment. So that if I leave, everything's okay. There's no issues with any appliances so that they don't have to struggle with that. So I renovated generate February 2021, and ended renovation around me, which I got a lot, you know, I had a lot of renovation that so I took out a loan. And I took a Home Depot credit card, I was watching a lot of videos on how to manage credit when it Home Depot and everything. So I gained all of that. But when I came here, for three reasons I wanted to go abroad was to travel but at the same time, save money and also just get closer to gone. But when I came here, the main thing was that I didn't have to pay any housing. Housing was provided and transportation was provided to and from the school, which in New York, that was my main expense. So I cut that in half. And I don't even have to pay taxes here. So it's when good.
Jamila Souffrant 8:26
So you saw this as an opportunity to move and help reduce expenses. So when we're weighing this, some people have sometimes these choices to make where they could take a pay cut, but then maybe they go into a low cost of area, place or country, or like what you said, because I think you did say, well, it might have been offline that you did take a pay cut. So even though you're not paying for some of these more expensive things in your budget, you are getting paid less. So when you even get out, like how does that come out like that you're making less, but then you're paying less in expenses.
Cassandra Henry 8:58
I think I'm making the same amount, or around the same around the same amount if I was in New York, because New York, they took money out of my income because of taxes like huge amount. And I was paying my mortgage and transportation. So it was around the same amount. And in New York, I was stressed. That was the main thing and here. I don't have to pay housing. I don't have to pay transportation. I'm not stressed. I mean teaching it's hard but I just feel like I chose a better way to stress. Like I'm not I can manage my stress here you know
Jamila Souffrant 9:36
it's interesting because it's like you still are working you still need to bring money in but you change the amount of pressure and your stress levels which is huge, right? Like the you sometimes it's worth it to have a change of scenery or change of location if that means for your mental and emotional health. So what ages are you teaching there and what are you teaching?
Cassandra Henry 10:00
I teach first grade age 67.
Jamila Souffrant 10:03
And you've been there now a couple years, right? How do you feel in terms of how you've been able to manage the money? So do you feel that now that you have the less expenses to pay for it, that you're able to manage the money and all the other expenses that you do have? Do you find that you're actually paying more for things now? Because you don't have the other expenses? How are you doing there?
Cassandra Henry 10:26
Well, when I when I first came here, I thought it was like, Oh, I'm living abroad. There's a bunch of teachers that come from the States, you know, and Abu Dhabi and the UAE is like New York, like it's very expensive. Here if you don't use your money wisely. So that first year, I traveled a lot to Italy, I went to I went to Africa, Kenya, Uganda, my birth, so I just felt like, Okay, I'm abroad I'm experiencing but then when I came back from Kenya, I said, Okay, no, now, the second year, like, no, now my head is strong, to make sure I'm set financially. So this past year, and this upcoming year, like I feel I'm more planned out where my money's going, because I know I was a little I was a little excited when I came home,
Jamila Souffrant 11:13
as you should be, I mean, that's a great opportunity to where you were at to be able to travel to all those places.
Cassandra Henry 11:21
Yeah, it's been okay. But this year now now I'm really honing in on what I spend my money with. I think I've been more intentional now. Like, okay, I spend my money on self development, like coaching, more personal training, rather than going out and eating because now I cook my own food, so I don't have to be going out brunching much versus it properly here. So every weekend, there's a brunch, constantly. People are always out. It's very a party party version when when it comes to expats. So it's just you just got to be careful and not pressure got pressured into spending your money here.
Jamila Souffrant 11:59
How have you felt socially? I mean, I know you mentioned this a lot of expats and teachers but I know you were very family oriented, right and very close to your family. And I'm not sure like you're from the Dominican Republic or your family is right.
Cassandra Henry 12:12
Yeah, my family is and I was raised in New York.
Jamila Souffrant 12:15
And so being like in such a tight knit community and family for most of your life, and then like moving so far away from them, because I know, again, your family was a big part of our conversations. And how was that? How was being separated from them? And emotionally? Where were you there?
Cassandra Henry 12:32
Yeah, that first year was so hard. But I spoke to my I still speak to my family everyday. But it was really hard because I was always with my family. During throughout my all of my adult years. My family was there. When I get home, I lived with my mom and sister and I just felt really at home. And here I had to find my own way to get a community or create my own community. So I like dancing, I've gone to dances, I found a good church, a church community, and I hang out with teachers at time. So I just right now, at the time, I have a different types of communities that I can turn to. But honestly, I kind of think that I've just learned how to be strong on my own. Like, I don't have to depend on someone, I don't miss my family. Like, I missed him so much every day. But I feel now I'm more centered on okay, I'm here because I want to gain financial freedom for myself, but also help my family out. So I'm just more focused on that.
Jamila Souffrant 13:32
I know you you come back since being there, right? And can you tell me about what that was? Like? I know financially, that fell a little strain on you a little bit. So would you be open to sharing what that was like?
Cassandra Henry 13:47
So it's been it was two years since I saw my mom. So this past summer, I decided okay, no, I have to see my mom. I haven't seen her for two years straight. So I went to New York. I was like, Okay, I'm only gonna save $2,000 Only, I'm only going to spend $2,000 in New York. That's it. And then I ended up spending way more than $2,000. But majority of it was like helping out with family stuff, like having stuff with the apartment. And I had to fly down to Texas for my sister to help her out and stuff. So, you know, I don't regret helping my family out because that's why I want I wanted I loved feeling that I can I wanted to help them. You know, I didn't want to have the option like no, I can't help them because I don't have money. No, I have the capacity to pay for this. So I don't want to feel resentful towards that. But I came back here I'm like, Okay, now now it's game time. I need to count the money I spent there.
Jamila Souffrant 14:44
Yeah, well, and so that's the thing too, I think so for some people right there. It's a very solitude journey or they don't, they don't necessarily have family they need to take care of or want to take care of or help necessarily fully take care of but you know stepping in and give money if they ask or just in general. And that makes things a little bit easier because it's just, you know, you're taking care of maybe just yourself, your immediate family. But there are so many people, including yourself that have extended family that are not themselves either financially stable, or to the point where they can provide a completely for themselves, or you just want to help, right. And so I think that's really important to talk about more, because that impacts everything. Because, first of all, on your own journey by yourself, you can't predict all the things that are going to happen, right. And so there's things are going to come up that you'd expect for yourself. Now, if you have people that you care about, and that are almost depending on you add like four or five others, and their scenarios that will possibly impact your own financial journey, because you're trying to be helpful. And so I just think it's something that a lot of people sometimes struggle with, because there is a balance on how much do you give before you deplete, and you're not sound and able to help them? And also just i How far can you go, you know, in terms of giving before you say no, so for you, as we talked about, you know, your family is very important. But I know one of your hesitations was oh, I'm, you know, I'm still in debt. Like, I don't know, if I should come back on the show and share this. And, and then we were talking and you were telling me well, you know, part of the reason I'm in debt is because when I came back here, I was helping my family, I'm like, That is the point of money, like what you're doing now, to the extent that you're doing it, we can always like talk deeper about that and making sure that you're still okay, financially. But that is the point like, you know, you put yourself in such a great financial position to be, you know, that rock for your family. And it's like, your values family is up there, right, and taking care of them is up there. And so you're doing exactly what you know, based on your values that what you want to do with money. So I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of in terms of how you're, you're spending in this period of your life. I just wanted to give you that assurance.
Cassandra Henry 17:02
Yeah. And, and honestly, going back home, like our, you know, I was talking to my older sister and just the way we talk about money now and even my my whole family, the way we address issues is one, okay, we're trying to be more abundant mindset. And I don't feel like money shouldn't be our like hindrance into growing as a family. And also, I feel like that conversation even at times, you know, we sometimes argue, but I feel our family unity has grown because of the way we address issues with money.
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Jamila Souffrant 18:53
There are also things you can put in place, right like so one of the things you mentioned is that you didn't budget enough.
Cassandra Henry 18:59
Jamila Souffrant 19:00
You underestimated how much you thought you would spend How long were you here for?
Cassandra Henry 19:04
A month and three weeks. I also like scheduled okay, this weekend, I'm going to visit my friend in South Carolina for that weekend. So I did not and this weekend, I'm going to see a friend and Matt and so you know, I hadn't in many weekends I'm going to meet people. So I said okay, those are the things I budgeted for but I wasn't budgeting for the unforeseen things that I needed to do.
Jamila Souffrant 19:30
Right, right. So I think too, like of course, you want to help and be resourceful with family but for the next time, right when you're thinking about okay, I'm going to come next summer. It's like already starting to budget and set money aside for what that looks like and then over estimate like over budget, what you want and then stick to, you know, have some bandwidth in terms of okay, I'm going to when it comes to seeing other family, if you're flying or doing something, here's what this is going to look like. Going to see, friends. This is what that looks like helping family. And again, it's impossible to to always get the numbers correctly. But now that you know, it's kind of I bet you the next time, you'll have a better expectation on what to budget for in the future.
Cassandra Henry 20:16
Yeah, when I came back, I said, Okay, next time I go to the US, I need to have this amount in my bank account. So I made sure I put it on now, I'm going to make sure to have this amount before I go.
Jamila Souffrant 20:29
Talk a little bit about your student loan debt. I know that some of it was forgiven, right?
Cassandra Henry 20:33
Yes, a big portion of it was because of the teacher loan forgiveness that I applied to. It was 17,500. Because I was I was special that certified. So I had, I don't have the exact number. I know I sent you the exact number, but I don't remember the exact was like 30 something 1000 student loans, but a big portion of it was Pell grants and the and the student loan forgiveness, like the teacher loan forgiveness. I mean, but now I only owe 4000 5000, close to 5000. And I feel like I could pay it off now. I'm just waiting. I'm waiting.
Jamila Souffrant 21:10
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm sure there's other the other debts you have probably are higher interest rates. And you want to get rid of those first, which Yeah, makes total sense. And so what things now, right? What are your goals over the next couple years? Like how long do you plan to stay? In Abu Dhabi? Do you foresee yourself living staying there for a few more years? What does that look like for you?
Cassandra Henry 21:34
Yeah, so when I renovated the condo, the bank told me I would have to pay the renovation loan for five years. So by the end of 2025, I would be, you know, free of that loan. So my plan is currently, just by the time that I still have that loan, I'm still here trying to be you know, be more savvy with my money. And by that time, I want to be financially free, instead of like the mortgage, obviously, like, I still have the mortgage, but I just want to be financially independent from credit card and the bank loan and all that. So and by 2025.
Jamila Souffrant 22:13
Okay, two years, do you feel like you know, the numbers from where you what you know, now, and you have the budget put together to do that, like, Well, you look at your income and your expenses, you feel that, okay, if I put x amount towards the debt, and saving for when I come back, right, because that's the other thing. So what happens to when we have a goal, right, it's like to be debt free. It's like, we still have other goals, but you still want to come back to the states and see your family. So like, you're doing different goals in tandem, it's like I need to put money aside for saving to come back, I need to put money aside for additional debt payments, right. So just like you have to, like, think ahead and make sure you have the cash flow to do that.
Cassandra Henry 22:51
Yeah, even moving here. And living here, too, has made me be more intentional of where I put my money in the different tracking, or the different accounts I have, like, I already have a one for travel. Specifically, because I know I'm here, I'm gonna I know I'm going to be traveling, even though I'm not traveling often now. But I know in the future, I'm going to be traveling. So I already say travel money is there. And like having extra money for fun things that's putting automatic deposits into those accounts, because I knew I know, I'm gonna want to do those things.
Jamila Souffrant 23:25
Yeah, that's right. What about investing? How are you there? Like, where are you with your investing journey?
Cassandra Henry 23:32
So right now, I still have my Roth IRA and my our IRA. I still have it, but I just have I haven't looked at it. But it's I already invested in index funds, but I just haven't looked at the amount yet. But I haven't been put I haven't invested actively now because I've just been focused on just paying off and traveling and like being intentional.
Jamila Souffrant 23:57
Cassandra Henry 23:58
Jamila Souffrant 23:59
Well, if I can offer a lot of advice. Here's the thing I'd offer anyone listening because I get it. There's so much I talk about this in the book, there's so much that we want our money to do, right it's almost like the money is working hard because we wanted to pay for our expenses, the responsible of expenses like our mortgage and then we want to pay for our fun expenses like you know, going out to eat with friends that we wanted to like be able to save for events and life and unforeseen circumstances and then we want it to pay off debt if we still have debt and then you know, invest for the future and financial independence. There's a lot of things that our money we require or our money is is meant to do if we want to reach complete financial independence and so it's okay to at certain seasons of your financial journey focus on paying off debt or focus on especially when you don't have all the income to do all it's all incomes jobs. And so, in your case, though, I always just like to say you know, Even if it's only a couple $100 $50, something, to put that investing back in place. And it doesn't have to be a lot, like I said, if to your Roth IRA, because I know you're not paying taxes now, and I'm not too familiar with like tax code, but even if it's just your Roth IRA, $50 a month 100. And just to put it on automatic, so you're not totally forgetting about that, because it's really important, because you're still make the progress you'll make, I promise you that based on your internal shift, that's your mindset that you've achieved on the journey, you're going to get to debt freedom at some point, right. And when you get there, you don't want it and whether that's two, four or five years from now, like, you don't want it to be them that you know, then look at your investments like, Wow, if I would have just like, did a couple $100. Like, I'd be so far ahead. So I just want to encourage if you have the space, even if it's just a couple 100 or $50 a month, start just looking at that, because you're gonna be so happy a couple years down the road that you you didn't let that go. So I just want to encourage you there to do that.
Cassandra Henry 26:04
Yeah, you know, I that's gonna be my homework. That's gonna be my homework,
Jamila Souffrant 26:08
Yeah, so this is what I like to say, the time is going to pass you by anyway. And the calculations, if you do it, whether it's 50, or $100, when you do that math, in the next five years, it matters, it accounts for something with compound interest, and so why not. And what I've noticed is that when you stretch your mind in that capacity the same way, when you stretch your dollar to do its to do its jobs, the same way you stretch your mind, to figure out how to accommodate for all these things, you will find solutions where you didn't know that there could be solutions, you will find the opportunities and the obstacles. And it's just amazing how our mind works that way. It's just like, when you like, see a smaller glass bowl, like you only fill the water to that amount. When there's like a bigger bowl, you know, you figure out how to fill that bowl. So that's encouragement for anyone just because you're paying off debt, or just, you know, kind of starting out unless you really can't, like, survive, and you're still trying to make ends meet, still find a way to invest? Because you will thank yourself, even if it's a year from now that you started doing that.
Cassandra Henry 27:12
Yeah, and I know, sometimes I do have a scarcity mindset when it comes to investing, because then I feel like oh, no, I'm not gonna have money for buying this on Amazon, you know, or just not looking at investing as a as a way that I something that I can do on the side, but I should just put it automatic.
Jamila Souffrant 27:29
Yeah, put it in your budget. You know, I like to make it because I want to be able to, to make sure financial independence is on autopilot, like I'm going to reach it. It's more like a mandatory expense. For me. It's a goal, but I put it in as if we're able to invest this amount per month and per year. Anything else I do with my money is like, it doesn't even matter. You know, I mean, it matters. But as long as I hit my investing and savings goals, the life is a little bit easier, because I I know I hit that. And so if I spend more in the area, like travel, or it's like, I'm okay, you know, because I already I've already taken care of that. So, I know for a lot of people, it's like, even for me now, like I sometimes wonder like, oh, how do you want to look at my budget, but it's really important if you are in the state of trying to find money to invest, see pay off debt, that you look at it, because if you're looking at your budget, you can say to yourself, Okay, what would it look like if I put $100? Let's start $100 a month to my Roth IRA, and then do the math and like, does this am I still able to pay for everything that I need? And then you'll be surprised when you look through your bank statements like, oh, I spent how much doing that? I could, I could cut back that a little bit and then put some more here. And then you know, you start playing with the numbers and make it fun for yourself. You're right, like sit down and be like, You know what, I'm creating this plan. Let's see where I'm going to be in the next couple years. Not just what my debt but with my investing and you know, the other areas and, and really look at it.
Cassandra Henry 28:57
Yeah, now you're talking to me about this, I feel like I was I've just been so focused on this debt. So I need to be more open minded. Because I'm so like, I'm just thinking about that, then. I'm also thinking about saving, but not investment.
Jamila Souffrant 29:15
Yeah, and listen, there's nothing to be I mean, I think a lot of people face that struggle. It's just like, you know, you have this focus, you want to get done with that. But then, you know, investing is the way that you reach financial independence. Like it's great if you have no debt, and then you're able to pay for your expenses, but eventually you want to be able for your investments to work for you. And I always like to say I know investing it's invisible wealth. People can't see that you have $100,000 in your investment account or your Roth IRA or $50,000 in that right but they can see you traveling they can see that you you know have a nice car, they can see things and sometimes it's or it doesn't feel like gets money for you. It doesn't feel like it's helpful to you right now. It just feels like oh, it's just like off in that account. But it's just like, No, it's, it's helpful. Because once you're in a good place with that, you can take more risk in other areas, you can do more, because you're already taken care of, you know, you already have the cushion.
Cassandra Henry 30:19
Yeah. And I feel like, if I'm investing now, I think it will bring me more confidence and gaining that goal of financial independence. I feel like I'll be able to find ways to maneuver my money in a way to benefit me. And so far, I realized this journey, I get a book in my head a lot when I'm not there. I'm not the finish line, you know,
Jamila Souffrant 30:43
yeah. But that's why I wanted you to come on and talk a bit and share more of your story, because this is what most people feel like, they don't feel like, Oh, I got it all figured out. I'm good. I don't even feel that way. It's just like, and I'd be doing more, should I be doing more, it's just the right thing. You know, there's always gonna be that and I think, thinking that our stories have to be perfect, or that we have to be debt free, or have a million dollars in the bank or invested to be successful it because that's a problem. The fact, Cassandra that you are living your best life and another country, that you traveled to the countries you travel to, that you're able to assist and help your family in the ways that you're able to like, you are living a very abundant, blessed life. And so I want you to, like know that about yourself. It's not about like, oh, because I have debt. It's not good. It's not a good journey to share.
Cassandra Henry 31:37
Oh, yeah. Okay. I just wanted to share that being here too. I've been able to meet other people on the same on the same financial journey, like similar stories, or does different stories from people from America who moved abroad to an owning properties. And I'm also part of the our rich journey group, because there's people from in the Dubai area and Abu Dhabi area who also follow them. What group is that?
Jamila Souffrant 32:05
So that group
Cassandra Henry 32:05
Our Rich Journey.
Jamila Souffrant 32:07
Oh, are rich, dirty? Yes.
Cassandra Henry 32:09
Christina. So they I just been able to meet community there and just find people who are who are seeking financial freedom. Because one of the main things that really pushed me in New York was the community I was part of, with you, like the, the journey to launch membership club. I feel like that was a big portion of my kind of pull into this journey. So I've been trying to find that out here. I mean, it's hard, but but just like meeting people, and just going on, you know, interviewing others about how they're doing and actually creating a community here. Because I feel like it helps. It helps when you're surrounded by people who aren't a similar journey.
Jamila Souffrant 32:52
Yeah, well, I'm so glad you brought up like the community because that social capital is such a big part of you know, we don't talk we talk about capital as being monetary, and you know, all the other areas in our life, but the community that surrounds us, the social capital we have is very important, which is why I was you know, with the community, I was so proud of what I built when I had the membership community sidebar, there is another one coming, so stay tuned. Yes. We're working on it. So I didn't know if by the time this airs, I'll have that news to share with everyone. So stay tuned.
Cassandra Henry 33:27
Jamila Souffrant 33:27
Yeah, I'm so glad you brought that up. And it makes sense because a lot of people who take the risk it's a risk for some people to move somewhere that they don't know it's another country. They have that mindset where they are they're they're seekers, they're journeyers you know, by default because they want something else so it's no surprise that a lot of them are searching for financial freedom or time freedom and you know, are are hacking that life now. You were you were saying something about mindset before in like your internal shift that I want you to expand more on that.
Cassandra Henry 34:00
Yeah. So moving out here to I had to challenge my own ghastly mindset when it came to money. I remember it was the first year the first year of being here. I went on a on a weekend trip. Like I treated myself to like a hotel, a hotel booking because here they do a lot of hotel getaways. That's the thing to do. Here you go and you go on this getaway out of the hotel. And it was when my birthday that first year and I was doing the year I felt like Man, I miss my family. So I said, Okay, I'm gonna treat myself to a hotel getaway. And there was a situation with my car that I didn't have enough money to pay the taxi. And I felt so anxious. I'm like, Oh my God, why do I have enough money? I had to go to the ATM because my card wasn't working the card that I had here. I felt so anxious. And I said to myself that night I was talking to my my family. I just felt like I do not want to live like that. I want to be like, free with my money. I don't want to feel like I'm in stuck in a box. So ever since that day I was just been so like, I want to gain financial freedom and just expand my my mindset when it comes to different opportunities, the type of people I'm meeting, I'm not scared to ask you like, Oh, hey, I would love to talk to you can you can I'll take you on a coffee. I'm very like, No, I'm very direct. I know, there's people around me that I can learn from so I, I just want to learn and find ways to grow and get financially free.
Jamila Souffrant 35:30
Oh my gosh, okay, Sandra, I am so proud of you. I am so happy that you you know you're sharing your story, you're brave enough to share it. I know you're nervous about coming on. But truly, I really think that you're relatable and you know, you are not behind, you're exactly where you want to be. And there's so many people listening to you now that will be inspired to seek out teaching physicians elsewhere in another country and to try something different, because of what you shared. And so just know that you're doing a great job. And proud of you and other journeyers are proud of you. And so to keep going. And don't let even if things don't always go the way you want or you know this mess up in the budget, or those are all things that can be fixed. They're fixable, they figure audible, you can overcome that you are your biggest asset, right? Like there's everything else can be taken away, but what you've created and built within yourself, your faith, who you are your kindness. That's priceless, right. That's the real investment. So just want to thank you again for always supporting Johnny's launch. Being a part of the community and sharing your story here again.
Cassandra Henry 36:40
Thank you so much to me, like I'm always for journey to launch. Love you guys.
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